Very PROVEN pair of 18 year old caiques. Have produced for me this year (five babies) and the last three. Should be viable for the next 5+ years with good care. Both from Shady Pines Aviary of Florida, are banded and sit to feed their babies reliably. In perfect and never a health problem in the seven years I've owned them (only one previous owner They've been on Zupreem and fresh chop/sprouts with SOAR supplement from China Prairie ever since. NO TIME WASTERS PLEASE. Shipping possible depending on . Or local pickup in the Sacramento area. It's time to down-size my facility.